Jane Fonda

[Biggin]

Congress declared war in WWI and WWII, but havent formally declared war since.

Grow up son. When you take up a weapon against an enemy. It's a war.
Not a game. Not highschool.
Life, Death, Serious Injurious.
Nothing personal. But you don't understand. You have to be there first to understand.
Have to have to look into the eyes of a friend who just got popped to know their leaving this world, never to return, yet understand what their trying to say.
Jane Fonda basically sold out a nation of men, who went to war based on a draft, to do what they were ask to do.
They didn't hesitate. They answered the call. Yet in the end who made let them down?
A US Citizen. Who had her photo taken at a North Vietnam gun post. Who now wishes that had never happened.
What all Congress hasn't declared. If you knew half of it, well you'd be amazed.
Arms for this. Food for that.
We have a good country, but not as pure as it seems.
The truth as sad as it sounds, we still play our games, as do our enemies.

[PVVikeFan]

Congress should try to explain to the families of over 58,000 brave Americans that their sons, brothers and husbands did not die in a war. They were more than just numbers. They were PEOPLE. And the key word here is WERE.

[Biggin]

Starting off, I am not your "son".

mega said conflict, someone questioned it, and I pointed out the technicallity.

I totally agree, war is hell, and anytime people are trying to kill each other its hell and its war, but I was just pointing something out, son.

[Biggin]

It was a war in the way everyone uses it, but it wasnt a full-blown congressionally-declared war, simple as that.

I am not trying to be disrespectful at all, and I feel for any and everyone that has lost a loved one in wars, I even have a half brother in the Air Force, so I feel for anyone that has lost a loved one in a war.

[PVVikeFan]

I know what you're saying Biggin. I wasn't trying to ruffle anybody's feathers. But trust me, maybe not "technically" but it was a war in every sense of the word.

When your fighting and dying and taking injuries. It's a war.
Korea or Nam was both undeclared wars.
Mostly because we didn't have a president to put the money out there.
And you had what it was. Unpopular wars.

And Biggin. You wouldn't won't to be my son. I don't play many games. I say what i think and what i think is law in my house.
Live outside it. Your laws. Live in it, i pay the bills.
My laws.
Different era's. Different time's.
Just like Korea and Vietnam. War just undeclared.

Im still waiting on the declared war on Iraq? We have on on terrorism but not Iraq?

[Biggin]

I had no intentions of living in your house man, not sure how you got that. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Both Presidents spent tons of money in Nam(Johnson) and Korea(Truman), Korea was a success, not Nam wasnt because we had no idea of what we were getting into.

Korea was a success? Where do you take history at? Explain success. North Korea and South Korea. Where was the success?
Thousands lost on both sides and yet the same thing?

Vietnam was a war Kennedy was getting us out of, before his untimely assissnation. And Johnson susposedly lost the letter removing US troops from Vietnam, signed by still sitting president Kennedy.

See that is the problem to many who don't know the facts. Your what all of 17 or 18 and defending something you have no clue of.

When you get that clue or you get a chance to talk to some front liners from Iraq. Come talk to this old man. You may realize, im not as stupid as you think.

[imported_mega]

you guys are funny, its often refered to as "the vietnam conflict", do a google search. who cares what its called, its not like I didnt know it was a war.